So without God you'd be an immoral person. I don't know about morals, but it's funny you said "deep down you know there's a god", because I always says that theists know, deep down, that there isn't a god. The reason I'm moral isn't because someone told me to, or because I'm scared of punishment. It comes from a recognition that every individual is an individual, and that no one has the right to force anyone to do anything against their will. Thus, in my ideal world there'd be two rules - don't use (initial) force, and don't lie or cheat. No god. Morality with god is the sham - would it be moral to kill children if god said so (and indeed does say so)?

Interestingly, a survey by a *fundamentalist christian* on the morals of non-christians & born-again christians backs me up. Christians are more likely to divorce, less likely to give to charity... on the others the figures are very, very close. Check the results (can't find the original source) at http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/september99/barker.html

It's not a sham that I don't go around killing people. Why don't you? And you seriously believe that people deserve to go to hell? For Adam and Eve committing a crime that wasn't even a crime? I honestly don't understand how a human being could think like that. So much for morals.

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that Jesus takes punishment for our sins? Or that evil exists, therefore God exists? That doesn't seem to make sense at all.

Frank